Animation Courtesy: NTSB This animation consists of a two-dimensional (2-D) depiction of preliminary radar flight path information of the August 8, 2009 mid-air collision of a Piper 32 aircraft with a Eurocopter helicopter. The animation begins after the Pipers departure from Teterboro airport, and continues until the collision. The radar ground tracks for both aircraft are displayed on a satellite photo illustration of the area. The 2-D animation is followed by a three-dimensional (3-D) representation of the collision. The 3-D animation is a thirty second, chase view of the Piper 32 depicting the closure of the helicopter with the Piper, ending at the collision. After the 3-D representation, post-collision photographs obtained from witnesses are shown as still images. Selected comments from the Teterboro and Newark air traffic control (ATC) preliminary transcript are displayed as text, and the animation audio consists of portions of the recorded air traffic control communications. The animation does not depict the weather or visibility conditions at the time of the accident. www.ntsb.gov www.ntsb.gov
NTSB Hudson River Mid-Air Collision between Plane and Helicopter Animation
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Couldn’t they just change their heading or try to change course or dodge each other?
Cannot blame anyone except the PIC’s of the Piper and Eurocopter.
The PIC has the ultimate responsibility for his/her own aircraft and for keeping a look out for other traffic, especially over or near a major city like New york.
I was always taught to raise my wings from time to time to check my blind spot above me whilst flying VFR, obviously some people just seem to disregard the basics and then wonder why these pointless accidents happen.
The Hudson River area is called the Hudson River VFR Corridor by pilots. The idea is that you fly VFR (visual flight rules). Air traffic control will help you out by pointing out traffic, but once you are flying under those rules, you have to abide by them. That means looking out the cockpit windows and not relying on ATC to warn you other planes.
Don’t worry so much about who’s to blame. All speculation with a certain amount of logic is valid. I don’t know about you, but as a pilot this sends vivid chills everywhere and reinvigorates the principles I’ve been taught. A tragic event like this has many things to learn from. Audio, animations, and actual impact shots! It’s so…..Something. May their lives lost guide us to safer skies. Best wishes to all.
Years ago I as in Niagara falls. I was watching a tourist helicopter flying over the river toward the falls. I heard a jet and saw a fighter jet from NF airforce base approaching fast. I really thought they were going to collide. The jet took a sudden steep turn to avoid. Then i thought the jet wash might knock the helicopter out. But the both continued. This was shortly before a small airplane and tourist helicopter collided killing everyone.
i agree with you, i dont believe it was the controllers fault. but im curious about why emergency freqs werent used. the newark controller first requested a 220 heading for 71MC, teterboro tower didnt catch that, then newark did not restate the heading, just basically said “put him on me”. could teterboro tower have not keyed up guard, broadcasted to 71MC to fly heading 220 newark assigned and contact newark 127.85? by the way this isnt directed to only you rogmackay.
I am completely convinced the controller is not responsible for this accident. Piper got the on the wrong frequency, which might have prevented this from happening. Wonder if he didn’t have a standby toggle radio, so he couldn’t go back to ask for the correct one? Bad things happen; all of us who fly have heard ATC instructions incorrectly, busy controllers cannot correct, etc. Add to that the problems of See and Avoid, as usual, it is more than 1 thing that causes a catastrophe.
Beautiful clear day, pilots cannot see around blind spots, and pilots can even get distracted, so see and avoid becomes a useless theory. I fly with PCAS/MRX a passive collision avoidance system; it does an excellent job of letting you know who is out there, and you WILL start looking, but your eyes still have to make contact; every VFR pilot is admit this part is not guaranteed! This is why VFR can be so dangerous.
That is correct, the Newark controller did try to get him to keep the Piper away from the Helicopter, however, the Teterboro controller had already transferred the Piper off his frequency.
I’m not so certain that the ATC is not at fault, so some degree anyway. According to the NTSB report the Teterboro ATC was engaged in a non business related phone call up to about one second before the crash. The approximate location of the Eurocopter was known and Newark ATC contacted the Teterboro ATC to request that he direct the Piper away from the air traffic. The Teterboro ATC was distracted by a personal phone call he made to a female co-worker and wasn’t on top of things..
The Eurocopter was not even on radar to the tower controller at Terterboro when he transferred the VFR Piper …. Pilot is responsible for safe separation of his aircraft. The controller had trasferred the aircraft and nothing more could be done. Terrible accident. Not the controllers fault.
People keep blaming the Teterboro controller for this accident… To me, the phone call had nothing to do with the accident. At the time of the collision he had already handed the a/c off to Newark, but for some reason Newark couldn’t pick him up. I’m gonna go with Doug on this one and say that fate and the blind spot/lack of traffic scan caused this collision.
And all of this could have been avoided if the air traffic control wasnt playing grabass on the radio with another controller.
cell phones are coasting people there lives everywhere.people have no regard for others lives whether in a critical job like air control or the train wreck in los angeles.think of what people look like driving thier cars with the damn cell phones to thier ears,and dont care how important it is to be focused on what they’re doing.phone call is more important than other peoples lives.the air traffic controller wasnt doing his job no matter how you look at it,and niether was his supervisor.
I forgot to mention, the airplane pilot was probably fiddling with his radio trying to tune the proper frequency. His attention may have focused more with the radio instead of looking outside? Anything is possible. But still, even if he had the correct frequency the accident may still have happened because of the blind spots.
That only applies to the larger jet passenger aircraft, and it will only discover other aircraft that is transponder equipped. There are cheaper units available for general aviation aircraft but nothing takes the place of a pair of eyeballs.
I don’t believe that the phone call would have make any difference in preventing this accident. The radio traffic is typical for any congested area, maybe even lighter than some other areas I’ve flow through. Perhaps if the chopper pilot had done a quick scan before climbing, he would have spotted the plane which was maintaining a set altitude? Both aircraft were at each other’s blind spot. In VFR it’s see and be seen. Who do I blame?….fate….the crackling radio and the blind spots.
I am always amazed, and still am after seeing this, that ANYONE can understand ANYTHING that’s being said. Between the rushed clipped speech and the background noise…
I agree, I’ve flown in a piper a few times and that angle is always hard to pick up on.
It’s called TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System). Those are usually found on large commercial jets and cost a lot. Some even more than buying a small plane itself.
This is why I personally bought myself a Zaaon PCAS (portable). It’s only $1300 and detects transponder equipped aircraft.
Amazing
I havent seen these witness pics before
yeah, it’s so sad that people would waste their time talking on cell phones during an important job like an air traffic controller.
and yes, i was also wondering why they didn’t communicate with the helicopter pilot, cause throughout that entire communication thing, there was no helicopter pilot talking.
I have flown a PA32 and thats the problem with a low wing plane. You can’t see traffic at that angle.
During the read back the pilot missed the Freq for Newark.
The controller said he was lost in the freqs.
The Controller should have talked to the Euro-Copter and told him to lower his alt when he could not get the guy back on the comms.
These damn cell phones are costing people their lives.
i thought that too. but i think its only jets at higher altitude. for the abundant traffic up there